Thoughts on Pain

I posed the following question to The Darkwatch discussion list:

For bottoms/submissives/slaves:  What is the allure of receiving pain:
IE floggings, whippings, play peircings, CBT, ECT?

For Tops/Dom/me's/Masters:  What is the allure of giving pain?

For bottoms/sub missives/slaves:  What is the allure of receiving pain:
 IE floggings, whippings, play peircings, CBT, ECT?
 

 This girl will try to respond and hope that it makes some kind of sense to
 everyone.

 When this girl first started the journey into the lifestyle....this one was  not quite sure about how girl would handle the pain aspect...to be totally  honest didnt think this one would perhaps like that part.  However things  have changed....some perhaps would say this one is as they say a pain girl..and some think that perhaps this one pushes things to fast to  soon.....very very much so....and with the way this one takes on such  pain...it is perhaps a bit unnerving for some to watch...and until a few weeks ago...this one didnt quite realize how deep she is capable of going..and still doesnt know just how far is too far yet.....the rush after
 the needle corset was so intense that it made the other play so much more intense...mind you having 18 needles in the girl at one time is not something that girl would like to happen again if at all.....but it did open this girl's eyes a bit to realize that the more and more this one does....the more this one wants....the impact play...everything....it is such a rush...a deep want... to have and feel and need and it can consume  the girl's soul at times.....just as pleasing the Sir or Ma'am can as well, that is something that runs deep within the girl to do....it isnt something girl can actually explain...and isnt a game to this one to do for
 attention....this one truly truly deep down no matter how sometime she may appear to be....and sometimes struggles with inside her soul....is...girl is girl...and nothing can ever change that....things may make it so she has to put it away and hide it from the "Real" world.....but the pain that girl has come to find she loves and craves and begs for is part of her....it is primal....instinctual...spiritual....the biggest rush of energy to have explode inside and when it erupts the emotions flow....and believe me depending upon the toy at the time depends upon the emotion....because one certain toy will make me giggle no matter how intense it is turned up.....and yet with the needle play the emotions that erupted were so strong.....it was amazing....the allure perhaps for this one is....perhaps a simple one...cause girl loves it....or a deeper one...but this girl has yet to find out...and hopes that it takes a lifetime of learning to find out...smiles anyway girl could go on and on and on....but girl wouldn't wish to take up the valuable time that A/all of You have.....so this one hopes this makes sense at least to someone...

 Thank you for allowing this one the chance to try and put her thoughts down Lord Prophett....girl is most honored and grateful.

 respectfully,
 mori

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Dear LP,

i find several aspects in receiving pleasure/pain alluring.  One being on just how erotic a
Dominant Master/Mistress can deliver the said 'pain' to a slave.
In my humble opinion...  If a skilled Mistress or a Masters' trained abilities to use a whip/flogger/paddle...
(what ever toy or instrument He or She chooses to use) are well groomed and practiced often in erotic ways during
scenes....i truly feel most any masochist slave is more than willing to submit into servitude and trust that the sensations received by such inflictions offered/given, will only lead he or she into the ecstasy of what a slave truly desires as reward from her Owner which is the gift of....subspace.  Skill and and the knowledge on how to produce erotisism through delivering pain with instruments, to me...is the key here.  And thus, my love to endure and enjoy a taste of suffering through my masochistic, slave ways...;-)

 "Fumbling Towards Ecstasy"
       ~annie~

"For Me, playing with My kitten, is the allure that I need.  Now whether I inflict pain, pleasure, or both,
it is his response to Me that gives Me the "thrill".  It is knowing that I can do whatever I
 choose to do and do it very well.  Its riding that fine line between pleasure and pain, expanding boundries
and pushing limits.  The allure is taking both of us further each time.  It is also seeing the
 complete trust and devotion in his face when we start to play.  To know that I have that much power
and control over someone, that is incredible.  Sometimes, its the thrill to see how much pain I can
 inflict on kitten and how much he can take.  More often though, it goes much deeper than that.
Far too deep for words to do justice."
 ~Mistress M

To me the sensations I receive from Sir William begins with the warm up that we begin with. Sir William starts out with light flickers of his whip mixed with the light caresses of soft pleasures. The mixture of pain and pleasure is what gets me in the receiving mode of wanting more.   Gradually it gets more intense to where I can't tell the difference between pain and pleasure. In the beginning I feel every sensation. Pain is pain and soft is sweet. As we get further into the scene the pain is more intense and all I need is more the pain just calls out to me. Knowing that Sir William is enjoying this as well is even more pleasing. Being allowed the satisfaction of being able to feed Sir William with my energy and power is so overwhelming, that is what sends me over.
After awhile all I hear or feel is what Sir William feeds me. The pain is so beautiful it
 makes me feel so alive so uninhibited like there is nothing else in the world but Sir William and I. I remember once ~giggles~ Sir William and I were in a scene he pushed my limits further than I had ever been. The next thing I knew I was on the floor and was told I fell straight back, arms out, Sir William holding me asking me if I was ok. ~giggles~ apparently I swan dived backwards with no reservations. I don’t remember the moment when I couldn't feel the velvet licks of his whip anymore. But I will always remember his soft touch caressing and deep voice asking me how are you doing angel? Those words in itself I will cherish and remember for all my days.

      The pain is a pleasure that is given as a gift. Power is given as a gift. The given is deemed when the Dom/top sees fit. The power is given when the sub/bottom/slave deems that one is trusted. Pain of a flogger, whip, paddle etc.. Is of no consequence. It is the sensation of trust between the ones involved that makes this lifestyle flourish. What is needed between the two individuals is trust that one will give the other the power of Domination and the other will receive the pain of submission. Pain means so much in this world. It is the ones that seek out the pleasure of receiving and the ones that desire to inflict the pain and receive pleasurable power from it are the ones to grow. The whack of a paddle, the sting of a whip or the smack of a paddle is pain that one needs to get to Eden where all is calm and sweet. Pain is a pleasure that can only be given with open arms and received with an open heart.

 SW~angel~

Pain is a means to an end for me.  i am not what the classic definition of a masochist is..
i do not transfer pain to sexual pleasure...  But i do fly.... When i first got interested in this life, i heard other
 submissives talk about sub space... and i was so out of the loop, i did not  have a clue what they were talking about. i didn't believe it at all.  i was such a skeptic... such a nay sayer.  But when i first flew... i knew i would never ever be able to leave this life.  It is the most incredible experience.  Call it endorphins, mental escape, sub space, whatever you like.. It is so addicting.  And since i am a compulsive addictive personality, it has become like water and air for me.  The pain and the sensuousness sends me, and  without it i get..... cranky, mean and obstinate.  With it i am docile as a  lil lamb.  So, you see... if i am bad.. Beat me, literally.  Works every  time.  Not sure i can do needles .. Like lil mori though...

susie

My two cents and yes Im still around just not back to myself yet but as far as giving pain to me the sensations works both ways while giving the pain I am  recieving as much pleasure as the one getting because of the trust and connection seeing one who trust that  much makes it for me just my thought hope everyone is doing well.

Mistress Sil

For me the pain brings together the pleasure.  The thud of a flogger getting heavier and heavier, mixed in with some sting, sends my endorphins rushing.  I love nothing better than to be taken to the edge and pushed just that little bit further.

Pain is pleasure for me.  One without the other is not complete.  Nothing like the twisting of a nipple to send me flying over the edge during sex.
 

The sensation of biting, scratching, flogging, spanking and sting mixed in with caressing, kissing, rubbing, sucking........ bring together the different feelings, and make them all one.

I can't really put it into words here, I just know this submissive can't live without the combination of pain/pleasure.

Nothing like being grabbed by the hair and held in place and whispers of what is going to be done to you, or what you are going to be 'made' to do.  <shivers>

I love to be controlled, without that control, I am a very naughty little girl indeed.

dreamy

For me as for others...how I embrace pain is SO dependent on "where" my head is going in.  When My Lord was alive, the pain endured at his hands was on levels that I couldn't come close to attaining these days.  While it would be ludicrous to say I enjoyed every minute of it, the simple fact that HE did made it my pleasure.  For me, the trust and the bond in a committed relationship makes all the difference.

Today?  Sometimes I look for sensual pain...that combination of "oooo" and "ouch" that makes a girl warm and...<grin>.  Other times I need pure pain to "sluff" off the day or the week - sort of a form of stress therapy.  I can put the stresses back into perspective with pain more easily and more effectively than I can without.  There are still other times on my emotional roller coaster of a life when I seek out the attention of those trusted individuals who have the skills and abilities to administer the pain of punishment that keeps me on track.

Pain is such an abstract concept (until it lands on you) that it's difficult to describe the physical differences in the scenarios above.  A stubbed toe or a paper cut doesn't do a thing for me except make me whine like a 2 year old...the intense burn from the kiss of the whip has a purpose. While the purpose may differ from time to time, it's the fact that there IS a purpose that makes all the difference.

Thank you, Lord Prophett, for the opportunity to see others' views and to share my own.

 ~Crystal~

                    There is a very fine line between pain and pleasure. For me, its all in how I am able to process it. I process different types of pain in different ways. I was taught to process flogger pain by blurring
                 the line between pain and pleasure. A stroke of the flogger was immediately followed by a caress
of the hand and whispers of encouragement. The constant touch and caress blurred the pain into
                 pleasure until I longed to feel the heat. Thats my favorite part of flogging. I relish the heat that rises in my flesh
after a barrage of leather. And a caress or stroke of the hand brings that flesh alive.
                    When I stand in front of a single tail, its a whole different story. Flogging is kind of a build up with
the heat becoming more intense as the flogging becomes more vigorous. With a single tail, the
                 mental preparation brings me almost to a meditative state. I learned how to meditate quickly the first time I tasted a single tail because I was afraid to move a muscle. All energy was channeled into me instead of flowing out of me.
A single tail strike is like white heat. There is no build up...its maxium intensity in a nanosecond. I have never achieved
the type of sub space under a single tail that I do while being flogged. Flogging subspace is like being drunk for me.
Single tail subspace is total concentration, and inward channeling of all energy.
                     The clothes pin scene Lord Prophett and I do creates even a different type of sub space. In this case, the pins create a raw pain that would be difficult to process into pleasure if it were not for
                 the energy between the two of us. The ritual of the pinning, and the act of submitting to him, to suffering for his pleasure as it were, gives me a different type of "high". Seeing him sail into "Dom space"
                 during that scene gives me the pleasure and satisfaction of knowing
                 that I am giving him back what he usually gives to me.

What is the allure for/to receiving pain as a submissive.

Well, the simple answer is that I don't. Nope, i don't like pain at
all. No way, shape, form or fashion.
The longer answer is that what i receive at the hands of a
Dominant/Master isn't pain. Stumping my toe is pain. A toothache is
pain. Rupturing an L5/L6 lumbar disk is pain. A sudden harsh burning
attack of my flesh is pain. But what i feel while involved in a session
with a Dominant/Master isn't pain. (If it is, the session stops.)

The really deep answer that M'Lord Prophett seeks is that my inherent
need to submit to one that can ignite that need, almost demand my
submission in some internal unspoken way, far outweighs the information
sent to my central nervous system regarding what is happening to my
physical body. With one that cannot ignite this need within me, or when
circumstances and mood alter within me, and I cannot find the space that
i seek and need, I still feel the responses to my physical body as pain,
if the play is intense. A flogging that thuds is as comforting as any
deep muscle massage you might wish to have. The harsh lash of a quirt
or single tail is identified as pain. What I have noticed with myself,
is that play between those I cannot submit to and myself tends to
energize me and my reaction to my body's chemicals is more like an
adrenaline high than an endorphin high. I never feel the glow of well
being, or euphoria that i feel with involved in a session with one that
i can submit to.
Of those that i can submit to, and perhaps am not in the proper place to
reach euphoria zones, i still will do all that i can to allow myself to
continue because the party in question is enjoying the activity. Even
if i can't find that space i crave, the need to submit to the individual
still exists.

It isn't the pain i feel any allure for. It's the submission. It's as
simple and complicated as that.

laney